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- From: jwhite1@rain.org
- Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
- Subject: Re: Anything above 28.8kbs is bosh!
- Date: Wed, 03 Jan 96 22:48:26 GMT
- Organization: RAIN Public Access Internet (805) 967-RAIN
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- In article <4casgm$27f@gidora.kralizec.net.au>,
- Carl Renneberg <renneber@tmx.mhs.oz.au> wrote:
- >101321.2700@compuserve.com (Markus Hansmair) wrote:
- >>Save your money and your nerves! Forget about purchasing a new modem or
- >>updating your old one to get more than 28.8 kbs.
- >>
- >>1. Modems offering these new transfer rates will be buggy.
- >>
- >>Remember the trouble that came up when the first V.34 modems were
- >>introduced. It took the manufacturers one year to develop rather
- >>reliable modems. (This applies not only to USR.) The problem was (is)
- >>the modem firmware: Analysing line quality, dynamically adapting to
- >>degrading / improving line quality, sophisticated encoding and decoding,
- >>etc. make the firmware much more complex than for V.32bis.
- >
- >This is a basic rule of any engineering effort: hardware, software,
- >whatever. The first version of *anything* is buggy.
- >
- >
- >>Transmission modes with more than 28.8 kbs are achieved by simply
- >>increasing the symbol rate.
- >
- >Is that correct? How does that sit with the experience reported by many
- >people in this newsgroup, that a V.34+ modem achieves higher line rates
- >than a V.34 modem, even on lines that don't allow a full-speed V.34
- >connection?
- >
- >An increased symbol rate requires more bandwidth: if the bandwidth was
- >available to begin with, you'd expect the V.34 modems to reach full
- >speed, yes?
- >
- >Does anyone here know how V.34+ does achieve better thoughput on
- >impaired lines (say, bandwidth restricted to 3000 Hz)? Does V.34+ get
- >more bits per symbol? Are the modems' equalizing receive filters and
- >echo cancellers more effective?
- >
- >
- >>2. You will hardly ever get more than 28.8 kbs.
- >>
- >>The maximum transmission rate is limited by a line's bandwidth and
- >>signal / noise distance INDEPENDENT OF WHAT CODE IS USED. This is the
- >>fundamental statement of coding theory. It's not an opinion, it's proved
- >>to be true!
- >
- >These certainly impose a hard (theoretical) limit. In practice, other line
- >and equipment impairments can also constrain the throughput:
- >
- > - poor echo cancellation ("hybrid balance", or 4-wire return loss)
- > at the local exchange, which means the echo canceller in the modem has
- > to be that much more effective;
- >
- > - multiple A-D and D-A conversions along the call path;
-
- My testing shows ZERO improvement using the Oct 95 ROM in the latest Sportster
- design. Connects were 24 or 26 to 5 different providers. My
- old Sportster beat it by obtaining consistent 26.4 connects to all providers.
- The Oct 95 ROM obviously has BUGS in it. Don't waste your time with V34+!
-